Re: In search of a better "music discovery" or "artist discovery" algorithm.
Nice pics by you [SBT] and your friends. Thanks for the uploads. I have a few comments:
1. I wonder if you can somehow showcase your aural art and your visual art in a better way as a combined presentation on this platform. I notice that when I have a listen of the music uploads on your profile page some of the SBT art shows up seamlessly. However, when I check out your more extensive list of music uploads on your music tab, there are no pictures. [Of course, I appreciate that sometimes there was no intended association between your audio and visual art.]
2. The google search engine works best to bring up your images and those of your friends when, for example, you use in combination a series of words to search such as "silver bone tone SBT" or "siverbonetone doyle"; It would be neat if you can then tie specific images to specific pieces [at least where you have a strong association yourself as a multi-media artist] using the google search engine [there is none more powerful] which then refers you back to the fuzz platform and, ultimately, to your music uploads - which must be one of your primary objectives as a artist in enhancing the music discovery exercise [after all, that must be in the final analysis what this site is all about].
3. Let's get the fuzz tech folks and/or clif to help us to figure out a better way to combine your visual and audio offerings here at fuzz or elsewhere on the web.
[I will poke both the Goat and Clif [who seems of late to be following this process and your work closely] with this note by asking them to check out this - SBT More Images blog and commenting if/when they have the time].
Anyways, thanks again for bring more content here and giving us a chance to appreciate it.
Clif [cc: Artists mentioned below and/or other readers of this thread], this blog about NIN 's crowdsourcing Ghosts to become a combined aural/video/whatever(i.e.,multi-media) series is right in line with a discussion we started at Silver Bone Tone's More pics blog.
Some quick additional thoughts:
1. NIN is already globally recognized and has tremendous crowd pull. Other artists less well-known could also benefit from the collaborative process to combine aural and visual art to enhance the aesthetic experience for their works as well. The open and distributed Web is/should be the great equalizer to showcase creative work.
2. TR and NIN become the arbiter of crowdsourcing by virtue of the fact that he/they are in effect the controller of the platform being established for the experiment. I don't know whether this is good or bad [I would like to think about this more]. Since NIN is the original creator of the Ghost tracks, I suppose they should stand in the center of the ring being ring-master of all that flows from the original work of art even as it is enhanced by the "crowd".
3. I notice that the crowd commentary at the YouTube site for the experiement is pretty raucous - reminiscent of much of the "trash-talk" you get when the mass of humanity discover "a cool place to be" - IT NO LONGER IS COOL. This is a real problem with "crowd-sourcing" - sorting out the signal from the noise [more about this later.]
4. Other artists like your goodself, Silver Bone Tone, WebOfDistress, Dredg, Flitch, The Opposite Of Faith [to name a few] are also doing some pretty cool stuff here to integrate our aural and visual sensibilities. As this gains further traction [and I see it happening in the artist music and multi-media tabs, fans playlists, mixtapes, etc.], we should try to develop collaborative momentum on this kind of multi-media creativity that pushes out the envelope of the possible in cyber-space.
5. A basic problem with the NIN/YouTube initiative on Ghosts and the crowdsourcing [great link] initiatve that they are undertaking (as I see it evolving at the YouTube site) is that it is replicating everything that is both good and bad about the web generally - it is a big tent and more than a three-ring circus. There is no agreed upon score-keeping/house-keeping to develop some order [other than as directed by a centralized ring-master - in this case Trent and/or NIN].
6. We have all been struggling with the vexing questions of how to deal with Identity of Voice on the Web, Web Chaos, Digital For Free, Web Spam, Web Trolls - the list goes on. I think a more developed notion of SocialBuxx™ as The New Social Currency may be what we need to provide a neutral score-keeping and house-keeping function to create social cohesion and order on the Web - at least as it relates to Indie Artists and a digital platform without the de facto censorship [good or bad] implicit in centralized control].
[I will repost this comment at Silver Bone Tone's "More Pics" Blog referenced above [because it was his blog and your blog here that got me started] and also at the Artists' pages that I mentioned above as a "poke" to stimulate some further thinking about what is possible on this platform through collective action and development of SocialBuxx™ which, again, I think is a powerful concept if we can start to frame the parameters of how it will work.]
Food for thought.
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Nice pics by you [SBT] and your friends. Thanks for the uploads. I have a few comments:
1. I wonder if you can somehow showcase your aural art and your visual art in a better way as a combined presentation on this platform. I notice that when I have a listen of the music uploads on your profile page some of the SBT art shows up seamlessly. However, when I check out your more extensive list of music uploads on your music tab, there are no pictures. [Of course, I appreciate that sometimes there was no intended association between your audio and visual art.]
2. The google search engine works best to bring up your images and those of your friends when, for example, you use in combination a series of words to search such as "silver bone tone SBT" or "siverbonetone doyle"; It would be neat if you can then tie specific images to specific pieces [at least where you have a strong association yourself as a multi-media artist] using the google search engine [there is none more powerful] which then refers you back to the fuzz platform and, ultimately, to your music uploads - which must be one of your primary objectives as a artist in enhancing the music discovery exercise [after all, that must be in the final analysis what this site is all about].
3. Let's get the fuzz tech folks and/or clif to help us to figure out a better way to combine your visual and audio offerings here at fuzz or elsewhere on the web.
[I will poke both the Goat and Clif [who seems of late to be following this process and your work closely] with this note by asking them to check out this - SBT More Images blog and commenting if/when they have the time].
Anyways, thanks again for bring more content here and giving us a chance to appreciate it.
Some quick additional thoughts:
1. NIN is already globally recognized and has tremendous crowd pull. Other artists less well-known could also benefit from the collaborative process to combine aural and visual art to enhance the aesthetic experience for their works as well. The open and distributed Web is/should be the great equalizer to showcase creative work.
2. TR and NIN become the arbiter of crowdsourcing by virtue of the fact that he/they are in effect the controller of the platform being established for the experiment. I don't know whether this is good or bad [I would like to think about this more]. Since NIN is the original creator of the Ghost tracks, I suppose they should stand in the center of the ring being ring-master of all that flows from the original work of art even as it is enhanced by the "crowd".
3. I notice that the crowd commentary at the YouTube site for the experiement is pretty raucous - reminiscent of much of the "trash-talk" you get when the mass of humanity discover "a cool place to be" - IT NO LONGER IS COOL. This is a real problem with "crowd-sourcing" - sorting out the signal from the noise [more about this later.]
4. Other artists like your goodself, Silver Bone Tone, WebOfDistress, Dredg, Flitch, The Opposite Of Faith [to name a few] are also doing some pretty cool stuff here to integrate our aural and visual sensibilities. As this gains further traction [and I see it happening in the artist music and multi-media tabs, fans playlists, mixtapes, etc.], we should try to develop collaborative momentum on this kind of multi-media creativity that pushes out the envelope of the possible in cyber-space.
5. A basic problem with the NIN/YouTube initiative on Ghosts and the crowdsourcing [great link] initiatve that they are undertaking (as I see it evolving at the YouTube site) is that it is replicating everything that is both good and bad about the web generally - it is a big tent and more than a three-ring circus. There is no agreed upon score-keeping/house-keeping to develop some order [other than as directed by a centralized ring-master - in this case Trent and/or NIN].
6. We have all been struggling with the vexing questions of how to deal with Identity of Voice on the Web, Web Chaos, Digital For Free, Web Spam, Web Trolls - the list goes on. I think a more developed notion of SocialBuxx™ as The New Social Currency may be what we need to provide a neutral score-keeping and house-keeping function to create social cohesion and order on the Web - at least as it relates to Indie Artists and a digital platform without the de facto censorship [good or bad] implicit in centralized control].
[I will repost this comment at Silver Bone Tone's "More Pics" Blog referenced above [because it was his blog and your blog here that got me started] and also at the Artists' pages that I mentioned above as a "poke" to stimulate some further thinking about what is possible on this platform through collective action and development of SocialBuxx™ which, again, I think is a powerful concept if we can start to frame the parameters of how it will work.]
Food for thought.